GonneVille Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 The "Monica Durban Law" is up for debate today on the House floor. The bill as it is written: http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/BillText128/128_HB_191_I_Y.html The Bill Summary: http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/analysis.cfm?ID=128_HB_191&hf=analyses128/h0191-i-128.htm Kiss your cars goodbye, people, this shit gives the state the right to seize your car for leaving hard from a light, even if you're the only car for five miles around. HB191 Bill Summary said: The bill expands the definition of "street racing" to also include "any exhibition of speed or acceleration that is inconsistent with the normal operation of a vehicle on a public road, street, or highway." HB191 Bill Summary said: Under the bill, in addition to any other sanctions, the court must order the criminal forfeiture of the motor vehicle the offender was operating at the time the offender committed street racing if either of the following applies: (1) the motor vehicle the offender was operating at the time of such violation is registered in the offender's name, or (2) the motor vehicle the offender was operating at the time of such violation is not registered in the offender's name but is registered in the name of another person, and the person in whose name the motor vehicle is registered or the person in control of the motor vehicle permitted the offender to operate the motor vehicle and that person knew or had reasonable cause to believe that the offender would operate the motor vehicle in violation of the street racing prohibition or a substantially equivalent municipal ordinance. If you get convicted of street racing -which now includes ANY AND ALL hard acceleration, high speed, hard cornering, even if no other car is participating- then the court will be REQUIRED, not allowed, REQUIRED to seize your car, with no discretion given to a sentencing judge. So quite literally, if you take off from a light any faster than the rest of traffic, an officer can decide you were racing, arrest you, impound your car, and the court will convict you, take your car and either crush it or sell it at auction. Even worse, if you are WITNESS to a race, they can decide you were ENCOURAGING the race, and THE SAME PENALTY APPLIES. Worse, there doesn't seem to be any limitation on what can be considered "encouragement" of a race. HB191 Bill Summary said: In addition, the bill provides that persons rendering assistance or encouragement in any form or manner to the defined competitive use of vehicles must be equally charged as participants (bill's additions to existing law are in italics). This means, potentially, that if someone talks about a street race on here, and they get convicted for that race, hat anyone who even says something positive about that race can be charged with street racing, and face jail time and long-term license suspension. In addition, for you guys with nitrous systems, they're going to require you to sign a statement saying you won't use purchased nitrous "in any motor vehicle that I operate on any public road, street, or highway in the state of Ohio." Gee, it doesn't say "in any motor vehicle BEING OPERATED on a public road", it says that you can't use it in a car that you operate on a public road. That leaves a lot of room for them to decide this means that even if you never use it on the road, they can charge you for using it at the track in a car that is also driven on the street. If you "violate" that statement, they'll charge you with misdemeanor falsification. This bill gives police and courts free reign to consider ANY behavior they disapprove of as street racing, and destroy the life a livelihood of anyone they wish to without even having to produce any kind of real evidence. Monica Durban either doesn't have a fucking clue just how badly this law she's allowing her name to be attached to can be abused, or she is so dead-set on revenge against a dead man's friends that she doesn't care that it's going to destroy people's lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dover Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 thats why i have an outstanding lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Dover said: thats why i have an outstanding lawyer. I good lawyer can get you out of some of the BS they can pull with that. The additional teeth of that law has been put into place to make it much more simple to go after people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excell Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 GonneVille said: Monica Durban either doesn't have a fucking clue just how badly this law she's allowing her name to be attached to can be abused, or she is so dead-set on revenge against a dead man's friends that she doesn't care that it's going to destroy people's lives. How about her life which was already completely destroyed through pain and suffering incredibly unimaginable. Listen, I'm not a fan of a lot of the wording and intent of the bill, but this statement about Monica is disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankis Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 On a scale from one to awesome I would rate this as a steaming pile of horseshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pointslow Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 hahahaha My lawyer told me after the case that this would soon be implemented. What do you know like a year and 3 weeks later, here it is!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam1647545489 Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I will be at West belt tonight if anyone wants to pop off some dig races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleskate Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Sam said: I will be at West belt tonight if anyone wants to pop off some dig races. Dig Race......for $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.99. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Does this also mean that we can arrest policemen and fire engines? They're always going wide open from a stop, like they got somewhere to be. Let's take their rides away too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleskate Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 RymerC said: Does this also mean that we can arrest policemen and fire engines? They're always going wide open from a stop, like they got somewhere to be. Let's take their rides away too! CITIZENS ARREST!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRTurbo04 Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Tripleskate said: Dig Race......for $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.99. ide be carefull throwing offers out there lol people might accept haha hmm mixed opinions on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Sweet Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 There's no way a law like that can pass, can it? That just seems WAYYYY beyond ridiculous. Completely over the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Just2Sweet said: There's no way a law like that can pass, can it? That just seems WAYYYY beyond ridiculous. Completely over the top. Yes it can and I am guessing it will. Other states have had laws like this for years and they have not been changed. The whole fire engine thing is just fucking dumb and I would like my time back for reading that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleskate Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Just2Sweet said: There's no way a law like that can pass, can it? That just seems WAYYYY beyond ridiculous. Completely over the top. Sad as it is, it sounds similar to certain laws in California. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Sweet Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 While they are at it, why not pass a law that prevents people from insulting each other, because that might lead to a fight and people will get hurt! INSULTING SOMEONE = AGGRAVATED ASSAULT!!!!!!!! 10 YEARS IN JAIL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonneVille Posted December 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 root said: How about her life which was already completely destroyed through pain and suffering incredibly unimaginable. Listen, I'm not a fan of a lot of the wording and intent of the bill, but this statement about Monica is disgusting. It's not about being a "fan" of the bill. It's ridiculous, and the potential for abuse appears to be almost deliberately written into it. I'm not going to be PC about this. If she is aware of how badly this law WILL be abused, and still allows her name to be used on it, then she's made a choice and she can live with the consequences. If she is NOT aware of what is in the bill and the potential ways it can and will be abused, then why is she putting her name on it anyways? I don't know the details of her injuries, or whether she has any mental impairment or whatever. If she does, then her FAMILY should be protecting her from having her name put on such horribly written legislation. In any case, the lawyer/lawmaker/politician(s) who authored or sponsored this bill need to be removed from office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Sweet Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 You know what? Lets just make any car with over 100 horsepower illegal to drive on the street. That will solve everything. Also, guns and cigarettes should be illegal! Come the fuck on. I'm all for making the streets safer, but there's a point when some laws are just plain bullshit, for several reasons. Do you know how many police officers could abuse this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 If it passes, I'll personally be writing the petition to put it on the ballot for public vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam1647545489 Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Who cares if it passes anyways, nobody on here races anyways. TTYL Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Quote Provides that any person who purchases nitrous oxide at retail in Ohio who uses nitrous oxide in a motor vehicle that the person operates on a public road, street, or highway in Ohio is guilty of falsification, a misdemeanor of the first degree. FYI - A DUI is also a 1st degree misdemeanor. Using nitrous anywhere other than a track under this law is the same as a DUI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleskate Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Just2Sweet said: You know what? Lets just make any car with over 100 horsepower illegal to drive on the street. That will solve everything. Also, guns and cigarettes should be illegal! Come the fuck on. I'm all for making the streets safer, but there's a point when some laws are just plain bullshit, for several reasons. Do you know how many police officers could abuse this? You mean more than the current number who abuse the Law now? I see Cops do illegal things all the time for no reason other than that no one questions them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonneVille Posted December 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Just2Sweet said: There's no way a law like that can pass, can it? That just seems WAYYYY beyond ridiculous. Completely over the top. It can, and it WILL, because nobody is going to speak against it. Even if someone did speak against it, they would be ignored as being supportive of street racing, rather than simply against an abusive law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Casper said: FYI - A DUI is also a 1st degree misdemeanor. Using nitrous anywhere other than a track under this law is the same as a DUI. Or, for that matter, riding a motorcycle after dark with a learners permit. Nobody said it had to make sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Sweet Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 If I take off from a light too fast and they decide to arrest me and take my car for "STREET RACING", then how come when a rapist gets convicted they can't cut his cock off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmuckingham Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 So basically even if you get a speeding ticket, they can call if street racing if they want to? So that emans anyone driving even a remotlely modded car could be targeted for profiling? Or am I reading it wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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