jporter12 Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 ^^^ The smack has been put down, and the rest are now shut down.Matt, thanks for your service to the public, BTW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Are you cia or a supercop fusion? Sorry yes my bravo was for fzr and his service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFM Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 What's the band's name?The band is Acoustic Mayhem. Brian Y. is my ex wife's brother. I'm still fine with all of my ex's family and ex too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 The day that you have had to go hand to hand with an armed suspect that ends with one of you going home and one leaving in a bag, come and talk to me. Until that day, you are only living with delusions of grandeur .I like the assumption that I haven't, no one in a body bag though. The point is to disable not kill 99.999999% of the time. Unless you've had shitty training of course.I think your disregard for this last part of his comments anwers that question.Nice ninja edit BTW... Totally screwed up my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Are you cia or a supercop fusion?No I'm a ninja, get it straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 I think your disregard for this last part of his comments anwers that question.Nice ninja edit BTW... Totally screwed up my post.I'm a ninja after all.Not a ninja edit BTW, just unintentionally hit 'Submit Reply' while clicking around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alab32 Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Wow... I look forward to being able to carry in places that serve alcohol. I do not drink so disarming just because I am around people that drink makes no sense to me. If that were the case I would not be able to carry 50% of the time. And yes, I would have shot him if he did not stop when the gun was pulled. I would not want to try and disarm a man with a knife; I have seem the outcome many times. One level above the other guy is good for me! But hey, if someone wants to try and stop him with their hands, who am I to prevent that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FZRMatt Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) I like the assumption that I haven't, no one in a body bag though. The point is to disable not kill 99.999999% of the time. Unless you've had shitty training of course.I understand that the intention is to disable and not kill. However, if there is a person with a knife taking an agressive posture toward you THEIR intention is to KILL not DISABLE. If they only wanted to fight, the knife would have never come out. If they didn't want a confrontation to begin with, they would have just left. My point was that if you are in that situation, you are in a better postion if you have a superior weapon. There is a 3 prong test for deadly force in law enforcemnt. That test is method, threat, and opportunity. If you meet all three prongs, you should not be going hands on, you should be shooting! Edited March 7, 2011 by FZRMatt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Im hungry, who gots the pasta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Wow... I look forward to being able to carry in places that serve alcohol. I do not drink so disarming just because I am around people that drink makes no sense to me. If that were the case I would not be able to carry 50% of the time. And yes, I would have shot him if he did not stop when the gun was pulled. I would not want to try and disarm a man with a knife; I have seem the outcome many times. One level above the other guy is good for me! But hey, if someone wants to try and stop him with their hands, who am I to prevent that...I actually wish they would make it so you can carry concealed in bars that allow it. I think it should be (as long as you aren't drinking) you should be able to carry in any establish were the owner (or agent) of the establishment allows it. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FZRMatt Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 ^^^ The smack has been put down, and the rest are now shut down.Matt, thanks for your service to the public, BTW...Are you cia or a supercop fusion? Sorry yes my bravo was for fzr and his service.It is my pleasure! I enjoy going to work every day (althought it is getting harder with SB5)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 I understand that the intention is to disable and not kill. However, if there is a person with a knife taking an agressive posture toward you THEIR intention is to KILL not DISABLE. If they only wanted to fight, the knife would have never come out. If they didn't want a confrontation to begin with, they would have just left. My point was that if you are in that situation, you are in a better postion if you have a superior weapon. There is a 3 prong test for deadly force in law enforcemnt. That test is method, threat, and opportunity. If you meet all three prongs, you should not be going hands on, you should be shooting!Most of that is 'uh yeah duh', up until the "should be shooting" part. That's a bit oversimplified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 No I'm a ninja, get it straight.until you can behead a midget with a deadly frisbee from 2 miles away, ninja is OUR word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 until you can behead a midget with a deadly frisbee from 2 miles away, ninja is OUR wordHeh 2 miles. YOU people and your overkill. We'll never be true ninja in your eyes no matter how hard we try. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 I think we're missing the bigger picture here.It's much more satisfying to kill a man with your bare hands than your bear arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 I think we're missing the bigger picture here.It's much more satisfying to kill a man with your bare hands than your bear arms.They can't handle it, it's too personal to go hand-to-hand. They prefer stay at a distance so they can pretend they are playing Call of Duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted March 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 They can't handle it, it's too personal to go hand-to-hand. They prefer stay at a distance so they can pretend they are playing Call of Duty.You missed the spelling in Justin's post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 You missed the spelling in Justin's post. No willfully ignored it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted March 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 until you can behead a midget with a deadly frisbee from 2 miles away, ninja is OUR word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Im hungry, who gots the pasta?Spaghetti? Sounds good. Make it happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FZRMatt Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Most of that is 'uh yeah duh', up until the "should be shooting" part. That's a bit oversimplified.It is not oversimplified. If someone has a knife/gun/club/pipe/broken glass bottle (method), aims/points/swings it toward you (threat), and does not have their hands tied behind their backs (opportunity), they can cause serious physical harm/kill you at will. That is a deadly force situation! Like the quote that is so prominent around her says "it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6." I have gone before Grand Jury in Franklin Co. before, and if my job requires it again, I will do it again. I will not leave my wife, who has been with me for 22 years nor my 3 small children without a fight! The reality of my job is that every day at least 1 person in this city would kill myself or one of my fellow officers if given the opportunity. It makes no sense to pretend that I am Chuck Norris when the situation dictates lethal force. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 It is not oversimplified. If someone has a knife/gun/club/pipe/broken glass bottle (method), aims/points/swings it toward you (threat), and does not have their hands tied behind their backs (opportunity), they can cause serious physical harm/kill you at will. That is a deadly force situation! Like the quote that is so prominent around her says "it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6." I have gone before Grand Jury in Franklin Co. before, and if my job requires it again, I will do it again. I will not leave my wife, who has been with me for 22 years nor my 3 small children without a fight! The reality of my job is that every day at least 1 person in this city would kill myself or one of my fellow officers if given the opportunity. It makes no sense to pretend that I am Chuck Norris when the situation dictates lethal force.Yup. Except in some situations you don't have time to pull your weapon...hence over simplified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FZRMatt Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Yup. Except in some situations you don't have time to pull your weapon...hence over simplified.It doesn't change the fact that it is a deadly force situation and you SHOULD be shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 It doesn't change the fact that it is a deadly force situation and you SHOULD be shooting.Not if you can't. Should be obvious. If you can't draw and fire your weapon, you can't draw and fire your weapon. If the situation presented means you won't have time to draw and fire your weapon, still trying to probably isn't the best option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FZRMatt Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Not if you can't. Should be obvious. If you can't draw and fire your weapon, you can't draw and fire your weapon. If the situation presented means you won't have time to draw and fire your weapon, still trying to probably isn't the best option.In my job, if you are close enough to be assaulted in a deadly force situation, your tactics suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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