jporter12 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 I did not know that.You HAVE to be kidding. Something that UP didn't know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Punk Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 You HAVE to be kidding. Something that UP didn't know? I really didn't believe him either and was being sarcastic. I have since verified it and am now very wrong. It sucks getting older; I can't keep up with you kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE GRUNDISH Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Wow ths whole thing blows my mind!!!! good job guys!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beegreenstrings Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Supply and demand in the gun world is buuullllllllssssshhhhhiiiiitttttttI never cared for them anyway since the archery department was or is/stop is a joke Edited January 2, 2012 by Beegreenstrings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakeRocket Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Ive always heard that market value was driven by supply and demand. Did you have a receipt for your special order or a written contract? Im sure they didnt want to take any money because they didnt want to commit based on the unknown. Look at whats happening now they arent selling for less than $1000. Sure you see them advertised on the web for less but anyone can advertise a price for something they dont have. I think people are forgetting a big factor in market valueMSRP is only a suggested price set by the manu based on what they foresee a reasonable price based on their costs of manufacturing and R&D remmember its Kel Tec were talking about just look at property costs beach front houses that are tiny cost millions sometimes and monster houses in the middle of nowhere cost pennies in comparison. I dont blame woodbury at all its just smart business Id do the same thing and you would too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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granda080 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Ive always heard that market value was driven by supply and demand. Did you have a receipt for your special order or a written contract? Im sure they didnt want to take any money because they didnt want to commit based on the unknown. Look at whats happening now they arent selling for less than $1000. Sure you see them advertised on the web for less but anyone can advertise a price for something they dont have. I think people are forgetting a big factor in market valueMSRP is only a suggested price set by the manu based on what they foresee a reasonable price based on their costs of manufacturing and R&D remmember its Kel Tec were talking about just look at property costs beach front houses that are tiny cost millions sometimes and monster houses in the middle of nowhere cost pennies in comparison. I dont blame woodbury at all its just smart business Id do the same thing and you would tooWhile I agree with 99% of what you said here, I don't necessarily agree with your last statement. I think that is where loyalty to your customer base comes into play. Price gouging isn't a good business practice, for this exact reason. People don't like to over pay on MSRP from businesses; from a private seller on a hard to get item, sure, but not a business. IMHO when a business goes over MSRP it becomes viewed as greed. When an individual wants twice the price for a Furbie it's far more acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmh_sprint Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Ive always heard that market value was driven by supply and demand. Did you have a receipt for your special order or a written contract? Im sure they didnt want to take any money because they didnt want to commit based on the unknown. Look at whats happening now they arent selling for less than $1000. Sure you see them advertised on the web for less but anyone can advertise a price for something they dont have. I think people are forgetting a big factor in market valueMSRP is only a suggested price set by the manu based on what they foresee a reasonable price based on their costs of manufacturing and R&D remmember its Kel Tec were talking about just look at property costs beach front houses that are tiny cost millions sometimes and monster houses in the middle of nowhere cost pennies in comparison. I dont blame woodbury at all its just smart business Id do the same thing and you would tooAny chance you have an in with or are related to the douchebag business that pulled this stunt? Based on this post and your other one about your ACOG, you seem firmly entrenched up thier ass. They pulled a complete BS move because they saw $ signs in place of customer loyalty. Todd and others may not have had a written contract but they did have a verbal agreement which would hold up in court. I personally have never been in their store or done business with then but based on their actions i hope they fail miserably. Edited January 2, 2012 by cmh_sprint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakeRocket Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I dont know the circumstances of the situation but Ive always had great experiences shopping at woodbury. I can tell you this, I had my name in their white book for a savage muzzle loader of which is one of the hardest guns to get a hold of at the time. they made it clear to me that it wasnt a special order or any sort of commitment it was just a "headsup" when the gun finally came in. i asked to put money down but they refused cause they didnt have a price for the MLII which at the time wasnt on the market yet. I dont know if this is a similar situation but long story short when they called i showed up only to find out it was sold 5 minutes before i got there to someone else who was also on the list for the same gun. I didnt blame them there wasnt any real commitment i just asked to get a call when it came in. Other than that theyve always taken care of me... just sayin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 MSRP is only a suggested price set by the manu based on what they foresee a reasonable price based on their costs of manufacturing and R&DThere are many manufacturers that will quit doing business with a company if they sell for too much away from their MSRP, higher or lower. I'm going to guess that Kel-tec is not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I am sure Kel-tec has no problem with most business practices. They are just happy that there is a waiting list for like 3 of there guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted January 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 You are a Tard and yes they are selling at some stupid prices from private owners on GB not dealers. The few other dealers that got them sold them at msrp. Do your research before posting dumb shit Newb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Punk Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Ive always heard that market value was driven by supply and demand. Did you have a receipt for your special order or a written contract? Im sure they didnt want to take any money because they didnt want to commit based on the unknown. Look at whats happening now they arent selling for less than $1000. Sure you see them advertised on the web for less but anyone can advertise a price for something they dont have. I think people are forgetting a big factor in market valueMSRP is only a suggested price set by the manu based on what they foresee a reasonable price based on their costs of manufacturing and R&D remmember its Kel Tec were talking about just look at property costs beach front houses that are tiny cost millions sometimes and monster houses in the middle of nowhere cost pennies in comparison. I dont blame woodbury at all its just smart business Id do the same thing and you would tooSo much fail in this that I expect it will be impossible to repel all the stupid. Beachfront houses are a finite, production firearms from Kel-Tec are not. Only an idiot would expect Kel-Tec to quit making these but if so the back handed move would have been justified with very little fall out. (If that was Kel-Tec's intent they would have been priced way differently. I can assure you this first product release did not cover their development cost.) A reasonable man is expecting that Kel-Tec is going to produce as many of these as the market will consume. There are multitudes of ways they could have handled this but chose the worst possible one for future business. Woodbury’s is not the only retailer for these so they aren't finite; they have been very short sighted in not honoring a standing commitment. If you think others would be so ignorant to have done the same thing then I am certain you don't know too many successful business owners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 lol, newb jumped into the gator pit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakeRocket Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Theres no need for any name calling or personal attacks. If you dont want to pay what theyre asking you dont have to. Thats the beauty of free market. why are you getting so worked up over a kel tec anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 why are you getting so worked up over a kel tec anywayStick around for a while, and see how things work. You'll figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chevysoldier Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Theres no need for any name calling or personal attacks. If you dont want to pay what theyre asking you dont have to. Thats the beauty of free market. why are you getting so worked up over a kel tec anywayLets say you came to me for a bike. I told you it'd be a year before I'd get it it but when I did I would sell it to you for $5,000, you're the first on the list, first dibs. A year passes and I call you up. I say hey, I got the bike but there's only a few out there so even though I told you $5,000 since I can get more for it, I'll sell it to you for $13,000. Don't worry that MSRP is $6,000. Don't worry about the verbal contract we made a year ago, take it or leave it. That's shitty business practices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Punk Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Theres no need for any name calling or personal attacks. If you dont want to pay what theyre asking you dont have to. Thats the beauty of free market. why are you getting so worked up over a kel tec anywayNot sure who this is directed at but I'll bite. The free market is having a discussion about a business that just fucked up and is about to lose more business than they are going to make from their decision.The topic is not Kel-Tec or your estimation of their value. If you wish to have some input about that which is a legitimate topic feel free to start one in its own thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chevysoldier Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Theres no need for any name calling or personal attacks. If you dont want to pay what theyre asking you dont have to. Thats the beauty of free market. why are you getting so worked up over a kel tec anywayOh, not to mention you have been a loyal customer for years who has spent thousands of your hard earned dollars in my store.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakeRocket Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Well if I wanted it bad enough Id pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Ok they have a gunbroker add for Todd's gun for $1800 go buy it LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Punk Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Well if I wanted it bad enough Id pay.If you wanted it badly enough you would pay whatever the asking price?Great concept on a finite supply. Stupid argument on a production gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Well if I wanted it bad enough Id pay.So you wouldn't care if I basically treated you like crap, lied and took advantage of you, like Punk said, over a production gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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