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We need to talk about this. I was speaking to a real estate agent about water front lots in Nancy and Monticello. I'd like to hear some opinions of the area.

So does HD and they are circling the drain.

Adventure bikes are by far the most virile segment right now. Give HD credit for making an effort with the PA, but they are late to the game and their is already strong, well-established competition. Harley could really use a win here. Which is most likely scenario: A) Sales flop. HD is too far out of their comfort zone. It will be too heavy, will lack features and capability & will be at the bottom of every comparison. B) Mediocre sales. It will never make it to showrooms in meaningful numbers. HD dealers won't know how to talk to adventure buyers (ala Buell). Will be a niche bike among the HD faithful. C) Sales success. HD will knock this out of the park and and surprise the GS, KTM, Tiger, AT, VStrom, & Tenere. It will be a viable contender and attract riders from other manufacturers.

BMW, Triumph, & KTM

Look at the model line ups of the big 4 Japanese manufacturers. Kawasaki and Yamaha have by far the most desirable models in the categories where most bikes sell. FZ09, FZ07, Tracer, Ninja 650, Z900, Ninja 1000 all sell. Beginner sportbikes...Suzuki built the terrible selling GSX250R , which is good competition for the 1988 Ninja 250. Honda has the CBR500R (CBR300R is not even worth mentioning). Compare the CBR500R to the Ninja 400...The Ninja is lighter, faster, better handling, better suspended, more engaging to ride, fun on a track, and way less expensive. The Honda is....."crickets"

New, 2014 CTX700s and CTX1300s were still in showrooms last year. The NC700x, NT700V, VFR1200, CB1100, CB1000R were all overpriced swings and misses. CBRs always rank near the bottom in HP. All those bikes are fine to ride, but compared to compared to the competition, they are more expensive and lack features that buyers want. The new GW is their best, most innovative offering in years, but 2018s are still sitting in showrooms.

Honda is the king of 5 year old motorcycles aging on the show room floor.

Yay! A lot of my 401k is in S&P index funds.

Manufacturers that build innovative, engaging motorcycles are still doing well in the US. I think that list is limited to BMW, Triumph, KTM, Ducati, Yamaha, and Kawasaki.

He did, but that was years ago.

Harley's lack of innovation has not typically been an issue for them. People bought them as modern antiques. ...but, all the bikes they made in their late 2000s hayday are flooding the used market, and prices are dropping. Those used bikes are 95% the same as new Harleys and way cheaper..and they're old-school/air-cooled.

Agree and agree.

Yes, unfortunately. Roadsmart 3s (just mounted a set, never tried 2s) use something different so new tires don't need as many scrub in miles.

165 hp & 163 ft lbs. This has been added to my garage bucket list. I need to own one of these when used ones can be had under 10k.

Seattle is a national embarrassment.

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556 used to be one of my favorites (5 years ago). Anymore, that road has been ruined by fracking traffic. The last 3 or 4 times I woundup riding at 35mph behind convoys.

...on a Grom.

Also in N Ridgeville. I have a tall Givi Windscreen for a CB500x in the garage if you want it.

If you say so.

what's your opinion of the KTM?

That's really short sighted actually. We need cops. If being a cop becomes a terrible (even harder than now) job, then you're going to have fewer and less qualified applicants for those positions, and the situation would quickly become worse. Like I said before, there needs to be a balance. I don't think cops are the problem, I think the Police Unions create the atmosphere for the lack of accountability. If there's a fight for change that's where it will take place https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/politics/police-union-reform-protests/index.html Here is some equality...BLM is equally flawed as the FOP. Their messaging is confusing. They don't condone violence or looting (wink, wink), yet many of their larger rallies devolve into opportunistic chaos, and their organization doesn't prevent it.