what Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said: I remember holding a spinning bicycle wheel by the axles at the Great Lakes science center (I think) and I remember that it was difficult to hold besides straight up and down because of the gyroscopic force. I just think of a spinning motorcycle wheel and tire (that had a lot more mass therefore harder to get it to move) acting the same way, except I'm no longer holding it by the axles, I have leverage now with the clip-on and forks. This is why they say the bike always wants to "right" itself and is why you shouldn't try to fight the bike. It is actually explained way better in that twist of the wrist two at some point. You counter steer because that's the most efficient way of getting that spinning gyroscope to "drop" into a turn. It's only a temporary input because after you stop counter steering the wheels right themselves again. Thats how I think of it at least. Interesting fact - back in the early days of powered flight (WW1) and rotary-engine aircraft, the gyroscopic effect caused by most of the engine rotating at high speed would cause pitch/yaw to be affected without direct input from the pilot. This caused a good number of novice pilots to lose control and crash, resulting in the eventual move away from the rotary engine. Edited February 10, 2017 by what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Tonik said: Wow, that is pretty epic. I think we need you to go faster though....before the counter steer is really in play. Any really big hills nearby? It's laced with a 3 speed hub. Maybe when I'm not alone in sub zero temperatures on Ice. And would need FPV or a drone 3 hours ago, whaler said: there is a point which takes into account mass and velocity and you can only counter steer. 10mph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 8 hours ago, motocat12 said: It's laced with a 3 speed hub. Maybe when I'm not alone in sub zero temperatures on Ice. And would need FPV or a drone We can do that. Paging @DerekClouser I have access to a drone also. So, when we get you up to speed, your test needs to be a turn to the left. You have it set now so you can't turn the wheel right...that is the direction you would turn the wheel if you were counter steering to go left. I suggest you use your motorcycle helmet when we do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2talltim Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 All this Science is hurting my head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 53 minutes ago, 2talltim said: All this Science is hurting my head. National Ohioriders.net League negligent for not telling you reading can cause head injuries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) Another thought...counter steering doesn't 'always' mean the bars actually going past zero degrees the other direction. If you are already committed to a turn and need to tighten your line you would counter steer, but the bars wouldn't ever get near zero degrees. Just a degree or 2 the opposite direction of your turn. Edited February 10, 2017 by Tpoppa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinNck1 Posted February 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Boxed up my seats to send to the seat builder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Forks set 5mm below old height to reduce trail a bit on the duc. Wrenching on god damn clipon bars trying to figure out why the throttle bar is not 7/8" but is in fact 7/8.1" so it won't fit in the clipon. New gold bars on the way to replace anyway... Need to welt borked fairing bracket... Need to put 1mm spacers on front calipers to move then in a bit... Need new fuel line that works on 100+ octane fuel... Going up to check out what spare parts the guy who raced this bike has tomorrow, hopefully I won't end up in his meat freezer. What a borked fairing bracket may look like: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Back to tire topic, took some photos of the track bike tires... front is even wear but rear is a bit off. Need to play with rebound damping and up the compression damping according to Dave Moss (scalloping on rear edge of tread). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoblick Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Washed it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobhawkins Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Hoblick said: Washed it Need more info on this kind of washing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Took the vfr out for a much needed triple digit buffet in the beautiful NC 80 degree weather today. Felt good. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 I finally got the new whip. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilD'oh! Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 Pulled all the accessories off the wife's sporty so I can trade it in on a new bike tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Duc is together! Except for new fuel lines and fairings (fairings being repaired). Freaking ducati and their not 7/8" we-a pasta-promise-a its-a 7/8" clipons. Old throttle-hand bar was like 7/8.1" and no amount of coaxing was going to make it work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobhawkins Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Looking good bud! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 1 minute ago, what said: Old throttle-hand bar was like 7/8.1" What the hell is this? Mixing fractions and decimals, why would you do that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Tpoppa said: What the hell is this? Mixing fractions and decimals, why would you do that Ask the god damn Italians, apparently it's how they do math. I'd like to note that @jacobhawkins has been a big help with getting the duc put together! Edited February 14, 2017 by what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer_kaw Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 Almost got finished up last night. New headlight mounted. Exhaust done. Got new wheels back from powdercoat and hooped up a set of Angel GT's . Couple little things to finish and maybe I'll be able to make one of the rides a few of the members are throwing together this weekend. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 Oil changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 Sounds like shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobhawkins Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Isaac's Papa said: Charged Isabella's battery and pulled her out of the garage for her first start of the season. I fucking love that bike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2talltim Posted February 17, 2017 Report Share Posted February 17, 2017 Pulled both bikes out today and checked everything over and went for a short ride up the road, everyrthing is ready for Sunday. Checking helmet for spiders now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Isaac's Papa said: You won't be able to hear it tomorrow all the way in Westlake. No worries. I'll be in mentor thank you very much ? Much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qman Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 I BOUGHT my new.. to me.. bike today... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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