ScubaCinci Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Yep. It was my first time shooting it...I need to get it sighted in though. It's a little off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cOoTeR Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Went out and shot my m4 at my sisters today...very nice!M4 as in the full auto version of the AR15 or something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 You bought a full auto 5.56 can I try it? Mine are only semi auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubaCinci Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Semi-auto M4https://danieldefense.com/rifles/carbine-length/daniel-defense-m4-carbine-v1-lw-lightweight-barrel.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 I know was just messing, I got shit on for calling my dpms a AR-10 on another forum. Very nice gun for sure.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) M16 is the full auto AR15... Edited December 31, 2012 by Scruit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cOoTeR Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) I was thinking this. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbineI was under the understanding the m4 was a smaller adjustable stock m16 that fires semi and 3 round burst. Also that the M4A1 was the semi and full auto variant of the M4 while the AR15 was the semi auto only version of the m4. I carry an M4A1 at work its semi/full auto although I believe full auto is a dumb idea unless your making a last stand against a mob of zombies and don't mind losing a lot of ammo.But am I mistaken here about which is which? I know a lot of guns nomenclature and parts get interchanged especially while dealing with mil-spec weapons. Edited December 31, 2012 by cOoTeR forgot to have "nomenclature" in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 per US Army manual FM 3-22.9, Rifle MarksmanshipM16-/M4-Series Weapons, Chapter 2 Table 2-1:M4 and M4A1 are exactly the same initially, except the M4A1 has full auto and M4 has burst modethere is also the M4 MWS (Modular Weapon System), The M4 carbine becomes the M4 MWS when the M4 adapter rail system (ARS) is installed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cOoTeR Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 per US Army manual FM 3-22.9, Rifle MarksmanshipM16-/M4-Series Weapons, Chapter 2 Table 2-1:M4 and M4A1 are exactly the same initially, except the M4A1 has full auto and M4 has burst modethere is also the M4 MWS (Modular Weapon System), The M4 carbine becomes the M4 MWS when the M4 adapter rail system (ARS) is installedSo the m4 and m4a1 are the auto weapons and the semi auto is the ar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 My understanding: AR 15 (“ArmaLite Model 15”, later purchased by Colt) is the semi-auto predecessor version of the M16. Generically, the M4 is the carbine length (developed by Colt), with a barrel profile cut for compatibility with the M203 grenade launcher. The semi-auto, civilian available versions are not technically M4’s, but look-alikes (M4gery )… Brands other than Colt or ArmaLite are not technically “Ar-15’s” (model designation)…If you notice the serials on the clones, they are XM-15, SL-15, etc… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubaCinci Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Mine definitely came labeled as an M4 but I think the lines have blurred on these and they may use them interchangeably for marketing purposes. The parts are all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) So the m4 and m4a1 are the auto weapons and the semi auto is the ar?The M4 fires a 3 shot burst when set on full auto. The M4A1 will empty the magazine when set on full auto.That field manual says the M16A1 and M16A3 are the full auto,and the the M16A2 and M16A4 are burst mode.M16A2 and M16A3 are a common platform, M16A4 is different.M16A2/A3 is 1.3 lbs lighter than the M16A4.M16A1 has the 12:1 twist, all others are 7:1.None are semi-auto only. Edited December 31, 2012 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Evolution of the M16/M4I call it the Mr. Potato Head of weapons.If you bought anything that looks close to this, it is an AR. They can call it whatever they want, M4 styling on the civilian market is still an AR. The M4 selector lever has Safe, Semi, and Burst. I would not call "Burst" full auto. Edited December 31, 2012 by Mojoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cOoTeR Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 The M4A1 issued to me for work has safe semi and auto. The auto is full auto not burst unless its a 30 round burst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubaCinci Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 If you bought anything that looks close to this, it is an AR. They can call it whatever they want, M4 styling on the civilian market is still an AR.As I said, it's probably a marketing thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 The M4A1 issued to me for work has safe semi and auto. The auto is full auto not burst unless its a 30 round burst.The M4 fires a 3 shot burst when set on full auto. The M4A1 will empty the magazine when set on full auto.Yours is an A1 model as you stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cOoTeR Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 As I said, it's probably a marketing thing.I've been digging around on this subject and it seems that the feed ramp is different on the M4 than most ar's. When they use the M4 style feed ramp ramp it seems to allow them to call it an M4 for marketing. But that's what I've gathered thru Google searches and gun forums. Nothing official. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 I've been digging around on this subject and it seems that the feed ramp is different on the M4 than most ar's. When they use the M4 style feed ramp ramp it seems to allow them to call it an M4 for marketing. But that's what I've gathered thru Google searches and gun forums. Nothing official. .Interesting note. Good to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cOoTeR Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Yours is an A1 model as you stated.Gotcha thought you were generalizing the M4 and the M4A1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottb Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 I took the Walther PPQ and the HI-Point 9C to the range this morning. I field stripped and cleaned / lubed both pistols Sunday night.I brought white box Whinchester 100 value pack and Blazer brass ammo.I started with the Hi-Point first. I bought this gun used. I noticed after loading the mag with ammo, the nose of the bullets pointed downward. I pushed the top bullet down alittle and the nose pointed upward. I put the mag in the pistol, racked the slide and fired the first round. The spent case was ejected, but the second round did not load because it was pointing downward. I dropped the mag, removed the rest of the 9 rounds and loaded only 5. The nose pointed up. Racked the slide, fired the round, spent case ejected, but did not pick up the second round due to the nose pointing downward. Ok, so the mag is having an issue.Changed to mag #2 and to Blazer ammo, loaded 5 round of ammo and the same issue, would not load the second round due to the nose pointing down. Ok, enough of the hi-point, i'll work on that later. And the sight were off, shooting way low. Previous owner must have jacked with the sights.Now the PPQ is just AWESOME. Ran flawless with either ammo. I will have to get used to the "quick reset" trigger. This is very different then my Browning High Power. With the PPQ, I was still releasing the trigger completely ( full travel forward). I was able to fire off a few rounds without complete letting the trigger travel all the forward ( all High Power like) but I will have to get the muscle memory with this new pistol.I noticed I was shooting a little low and left. I did not bring any tools with me, or I would have tried the two other backstraps included with the PPQ. I think I am going to like the PPQ, just need more range time with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jch82 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Went to the range with my bro and my dad for his birthday. Got to shoot my Bersa 9mm and 380 for the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Stopped by my lgs and picked up some more magpul stuff. Will post pics up latter. Edited December 31, 2012 by speedytriple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buildit Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I did this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NMPbDWIVdA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Two words. Long. Exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vf1000ride Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 What caliber tracers? Pistol I am assuming due to the lower velocity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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